Posted on Monday, 5th May 2008 by Patrick Dorwin
Michelle Malkin points us to the latest outrage from one of Barack Obama’s friends, this time is isn’t the bigoted preacher, it is the unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers.
Ayers once again makes it clear that he has No Regrets from his time with the 1960′s terrorist group, The Weather Underground. They bombed police stations and government buildings, now he is a respected (by some) professor in Chicago, where he because a friend of Barack Obama.
The picture is very telling, isn’t it?
But Don’t Question Their Patriotism!
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May 5th, 2008 at 11:21 am
They see Obama as their means to accomplish the revolution they couldn’t back in the late 60s and early 70s.
May 5th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I suspect Obama and this clown are about as close at Glenn was with Chief Arreola, Jones or Nan. Guilt by work association, nice.
May 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
This guy looks like the quintessential Aginig Hippie Liberal Douche. I guess you and him have something in common roasted nuts.
May 5th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I will keep this simple for you CD…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
Next time might I suggest an argument in lieu of name calling?
May 5th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I will keep this simple. Try this link while you sit around and enjoy a tea bag, I mean a tea cup.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020358.php
May 5th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Regardless of the above links it should be very obvious why Barak does not wear one of those silly little American flag lapel pins.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Wait, did Roasted Peanuts just cite wikipedia?
Lol. yeah, that’ll work real well, since wikipedia is known to be totally accurate, and the editors don’t have any obvious liberal biases.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
RP, I think Chip’s link makes the point very well. As for your references to Arreola, Hegerty and Jones, you may find what I am about to say disappointing as it may shatter your image of me but even though they had some similarities (ambition, need for power, diversity uber alles syndrome), I actually got along well with Chief Jones. In fact, we had lunch earlier this year. He still refers to me as his favorite Captain. And I have defended him regarding his claim of being treated differently by the Fire & Police Commission and some others in comments on this blog, to aldermen, and on the radio during various interviews. My personal experience with Jones was that he came at you head on if something you did bothered him. Now the other two were like peas in a pod – both backstabbers concerned only with their own ambition. You know the type.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Chip Douglas you fool… Do you really expect anyone to believe the mindless writings of two men who are fellows at the Claremont Institute? Seriously? I’m sure they are just as biased as a source from Planned Parenthood. Do some of your own research and stop repeating everything you read. Think for yourself.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Glenn, I do know the type. I’m suggesting that your work relationship with Arreola or Nan shouldn’t serve as a measuring stick to who you really are. I assume that every person on this blog has worked with a dipshit. To assume that we are friends would all of our co-workers would be insane. To that end, I suggest that your professional reelationship with Arreola and Nan has NO BEARING on your ability to effectively police this city. Likewise, Obama’s professional relationship with these two people (if in fact he has one)has no bearing on his ability to govern.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
So..RP…if McCain had attended a “function” at the home of a KKK member who was unrepentant about setting black churches on fire in Mississippi 40 years ago, you wouldn’t have a problem with that?
Somehow I think you would. So would I.
As for your “association fallacy” argument, your criticism of those criticizing Obama would be correct if people were saying: “Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist. Obama is friends with Ayers. Therefore, Obama is an unrepentant terrorist.” That is not what people, even your most hated radio talkers, are saying. They are questioning his judgment and character.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
RP – but I bet that you like the association fallacy when it concerns GWB and McCain. Or when it concerns GWB or Cheney with conservatives.
Also this Ayers friendship isn’t just a ‘seen you around the neighborhood’ kind of thing. But you keep the blinders on…
May 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Pretty funny coming from someone who considers Wikipedia an unbiased, informed source on something as weighty as politics.
Barack Obama is campaigning to be the most powerful man in America. Yet his actions show he’s not only out of touch with about 80% of Americans, but that he’s surrounded himself for decades with individuals who despise everything about America and wish to see it destroyed.
If that doesn’t get your attention, you will get the political leaders you deserve and the destruction they are sure to bring about.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
What I posted on P-Mac’s blog on JSOnline about Ayers—And yet, G Gordon Liddy and Oliver North can run around, write books, run for office, be on Fox News, but hey whatever you guys on the right wanna talk about. If you ask people from the 60s Left, or even current youngsters of that philosophy, they will tell how the weathermen were more of a curse than a blessing, as their actions gave the government a blank check to harass and in the case of Kent State shoot innocent people in the Movement with impunity.–Furthermore, unlike the KKK someone cited, the Weathermen did not kill anyone, and took great pains to insure they did not. I don’t remember the Klan being so humanitarian. Keep in mind, It was the WU’s actions at Media, Pa’s FBI office that discovered Hoover’s secret and illegal stalking and harassing of radicals, liberals and anyone who had a beef with the way the war and civil rights were being handled during the 60s. They got their hands on the documents proving the COINTELPRO existed and violated the law to SPY on AMERICAN citizens. Seeing how all the members of the WU turned themselves in in the 80s, and all but one is out of jail, I can not see why this a problem. It took the government decades to bring murderers from the Klan to justice, while they spent their time chancing around hippies. The comparison is laughable.
May 5th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
But Don’t Question Their Patriotism!
Isn’t that like questioning Paris Hilton’s virginity?
May 5th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
OK IV…I got you down as having a problem in the event there is a McCain-KKK arsonist connection. Check.
The comparison is “laughable” to you because you have no problem with the WU, and hate the KKK. I don’t care for either group.
The point of my comparison was not to show how similar the WU and KKK are. My point was to illustrate the inevitable change of heart everyone defending Obama will have if and when McCain is discovered to have friends and mentors like Ayers and Wright.
I have no doubt this will likely occur. It’s already happened. People have been blathering in knee-jerk fashion about McCain’s connection to John Hagee (a connection, unlike Obama-Wright, that is tenuous at best). So, if a real connection between McCain and some undesirable is found, I doubt y’all Obama defenders will keep your yaps shut about it.
May 5th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
“Next time might I suggest an argument in lieu of name calling?”
” Do you really expect anyone to believe the MINDLESS writings of two men who are fellows at the Claremont Institute?”
I guess this is more of the do as I say not as I do. Nice consistency. Thanks RP.
May 5th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
the Weathermen did not kill anyone
Well, just three of their own incompetants.
But not for lack of trying.
May 5th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Heather, don’t forget that four of the Wethermen joined with three members of the Black Liberation Army in 1981 and two cops and a security guard while stealing $1.6 million from Brinks.
Roasted Peanuts… Ahh, why bother, you won’t listen.
May 5th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
OK, more sources for La Bamba’s “associations” .. And these don’t include his “minister of technology” who made the youtube vid of a diapered Jesus getting hit by a bus.
“Hussein†Obama; Notorious Chicago Corruption, Drugs, Domestic Terrorism and the mid-East connection!
http://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com
“Hussein†Obama & Tony Rezko the Syrian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbE9fqYOTb8
“Hussein†Obama’s foreign policy advisor, former Clinton staffer Robert Malley, is strongly pro-Palestinian and had a longstanding affinity for Yasser Arafat.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2310
The father of “Hussein†Obama advisor Robert Malley was pro-Soviet, pro-Arafat, and an important figure in the Egyptian Communist Party.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2309
Why Does Obama’s Pastor Matter? – The race-obsessed Jeremiah Wright
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C19D4D91-618E-40D3-A5D9-C07D 7A87A5BA
Everything you NEED TO KNOW about “Hussein†Obama
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511
Another unsavory obama associate, official blogger a communist?
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0508/0508obamablogger.htm
May 5th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
James – Good post. You’ve summed up the logic of RP.
May 5th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Roasted Peanuts
I understand what you are saying and agree to a point. What I have to offer is how do we judge Obama? We have his book, his statements and his friends.
His speeches, they are good. Morally I beleive he is better than Clinton 2.0 but honestly his associations are something I distrust.
Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist. He maybe never killed anyone but not from want of trying. That he steps on the american flag makes me detest him. He is in one the few countries in the world that has that freedom and he steps on it.
If Obama had more experience and record to judge his associations might not hurt him as much. To myself Wright was something I was uneasy about but Bill Ayers is more of the same.
Glenn, I had to laugh at the Chief Jones comment. You are right, when he had something to say he was in your face with both barrels. Unfornately he made a bad impression on me.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Oh Mr Nuts,
Every time you open your mouth on this blogged you end up getting tea bagged by someone. You are a contrarian for the sake starting arguments, and your act is oh so stale. Oh and one more thing Tea Bag, How is this for my own research Encyclopedia Brown?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging
May 6th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Chip Douglas or should I just call you Mickey? Excellent job letting all the other make your argument for you. Glad you were able to come in at the end and add your two cents. Coward.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Bruce/Patrick,
Why the double standard here? Why are some allowed to make personal attacks and name calling as their primary reason for posting but others are banned for the same activity?
May 6th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Dittos on the TosaDan comment. RP is clueless enough without the tea bagging. it really is over the line.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:13 am
No problem Tea Bag, not all of us sit at our pcs 24-7. Glad you enjoyed.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:02 am
It’s been fun reading and commenting on this blog for about a year now. I thought after the Mickey incident we would be done with personal attacks. Thanks for the good arguments, but I will no longer be leaving comments here. Good luck and God’s speed.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Why do you do that Chip??
An open debate should be about issues. While it is one thing to attack a position that a person takes, it is entirely another to make the attack personal. By doing so, all you are really doing is weakening your own position and integrity of your argument in the debate.
Chip – go play on the Yahoo! political boards if you want personal attacks. This forum isn’t the place.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
See, you’re policing each other in the absence of moderation. The system works.
A certain banned commenter was warned REPEATEDLY… oh, I’m sorry, I meant repeatedly… about off-the-cuff attacks, usually with no provocation. I don’t see anything in this thread that approaches that level.
Two other quick points:
1) Chip Douglas is NOT that banned commenter, and
2) Yes, I did have to look up “teabagging”. Yuck.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
In a way, Ayers is more willing to associate himself with the American flag than Obama.
Ayers touches the flag with his feet. Obama won’t even let the flag touch his lapel.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Why does the little boy have to hide in the alley between the townhouses to take this photo? Could it be a NYPD, NYFD, or some other New Yorker still touched by the aptriotism of 9-11 might stomp the crap out of him if he did it in Central Park?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
We’ll try to survive without you, good… bye
May 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I don’t know how we got along before you were here, but tommorrow we’re gonna try.
Good Riddance.
May 6th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Chip – you really are an a$$hole
May 6th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
This cuts both ways. For all the hand wringing and caterwauling about Obama’s association with folks like Ayers, John McCain’s got his own assortment of strange bedfellows, including John “Catholicism is a godless theology of hate” Hagee.
May 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Don’t fret over RP. I, and some others, attempted to debate him seriously. He chose to engage Chip’s comments rather than address me seriously. So, obviously RP would rather pretend to be offended than actually engage people.
May 6th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Ayers touches the flag with his feet. Obama won’t even let the flag touch his lapel.
It’s a good thing John McCain wears a flag lapel pin everywhere he goes, then.
Right? RIght?
May 6th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Oh that picture can be summed up in these words: What do you call a man who thinks it’s cool to be wiping his feet with the American flag? It’s a monosyllablic word that speaks volumes as an insult; twit.
I could go on and on about this unrepentant fellow who committed acts of terrorism in the 1960′s and 1970′s, formed one of the most violent Leftist groups of those turbulent times, as well as make a general nuisance of himself, but I’m simply going to call him a twit and let it be that.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Glad you think so Clint. I had to defend myself after being called a fool and a coward. The tea bag comment was about the RP being dominated on the issues. I would have been more than happy to debate him on the issues. He started everything by going at Glenn. I guess I get a little defensive of the old man sometimes. That was all it was about. I’m glad that you have the forum Clint to say what you think of my antics.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I think I should use a different name so there isn’t confusion. Mary’s comment, May 6th, 2008 at 8:47 pm, isn’t mine.
To folkbum’s sarcastic comment about McCain wearing a flag lapel pin–
Did McCain ever say this?
“Now the truth is that I wore a pin right after 9/11….
“When I took it off, I lost it.
“I didn’t replace it even though I have terrific respect for those who wear it because I think a lot of politicians will put their flag pin on and then act in a real unpatriotic manner.
“I mean you had Alberto Gonzales wearing a flag pin the whole time he was shredding the Constitution. And What I want people to do is to judge me by how I act.”
No, McCain didn’t say that. Obama did. How lame! “I lost it.” At least he didn’t say the dog ate it.
Obama made the pin an issue, not McCain. McCain is what he is — a hero.
And Obama’s friend Ayers is what he is — an unrepentant, anti-American terrorist.
Zach W. brings up Hagee. There is no way Obama’s 20-year relationship with “Uncle” Wright can be compared with the support that Hagee gives McCain.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Mary 41, why can’t the two be compared? Sure, Wright’s association with Obama goes back longer than Hagee’s with McCain, but let’s not forget how wholeheartedly McCain himself has accepted the support of Hagee:
“Well I think it’s important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in.”
May 6th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Ayers should have been tried as a traitor and shot, not given a professorship and a seat on any board of directors. That Obama willingly associates with the likes of Ayers, Dohrn, and Wright shows his lack of judgement if not an anti-american bent to his psyche.
I’ll not miss Roasted Peanuts or any other america hating lib.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Mary 41… That sounds like Bush 41.
Obama joining Wright’s liberation theology flock, sitting in the pews of Wright’s church for twenty years, and claiming Wright as crucial to his spritual development cannont be compared with McCain’s relationship with Hagee.
Sorry. The comparison does not fly.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Zach, are you trying to say Hagee is to McCain what Wright is to Obama? Do you have something more than the quote you used?
In the quote you posted, McCain does not say he supports what Hagee believes in. McCain says Hagee supports what McCain believes in. One of your buddies (Roasted Peanuts) posted a link to some material on the “association fallacy.” Read that over and you’ll see the distinction here.
If you dont see the difference between Obama-Wright and McCain-Hagee, then you misunderstand the nature of the criticism that has stuck to Obama.
Sitting in someone’s church for 20 years, watching him preach; baptize your kids; and so on leads people to logically think Obama’s cool with it all. THIS is what people are criticizing, not the fact that Wright endorses Obama. You can’t be in politics these days without having wingnuts gravitating toward you. Both parties have tough pills to swallow in that regard.
Gracelynn made a good point earlier when she said that we don’t have much of a political record to scrutinize in Obama’s case, so all these other things (good and bad) take on much more importance. The man gives a helluva speech and is a sharp thinker on his feet, I’ve seen him handle Q&A in person. But people looking for what’s behind Obama’s words have found the good Reverand and the not-so-good Ayers.
For all his talk of unity and bipartisanship, Obama’s experience doesn’t really reflect that. His voting record has been staunchly liberal. On the prospect of bipartisanship, McCain’s record (i.e. his actions) have spoken louder than Obama’s words.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
If Obama wins the general election I hope the N-S-A makes him take a polygraph, twice before granting him a security clearance.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
So he may be revealed as the real Manchurian candidate?
May 7th, 2008 at 5:43 am
Obama made the pin an issue
No. Righties and the media made it an issue. He didn’t stand up one day, Mary, and announce to the world hat he doesn’t wear the flag lapel pin anymore. He was hounded by your side for not wearing one and said what you quote him as saying in response to questions from the media.
Your side has made flag lapel pin wearing the measure of patriotism in this campaign. Why can’t you hold your guy to that standard? Has the so-called “liberal media” even bothered to ask McCain why he doesn’t wear the pin?
It’s all a part of the campaign of double-standards that has existed from the beginning: McCain can hide financial assets but Clinton can’t. McCain can go pin-free but Obama can’t. McCain can flip-flop on immigration but Clinton can’t even say she can see both sides of the issue. McCain can actively seek the endorsement of multiple pastors who are known bigots but Obama can’t escape one who hasn’t endorsed him. And so on.
If you think the Wright:Obama::Hagee:McCain analogy doesn’t hold up, try Rod Parsley. Parsley has been described repeatedly by McCain as his spiritual mentor and is as much a bigot and a nutball as Hagee is.
Regardless, it’s all a pander: McCain knows that he cannot win key states like Ohio or Florida without the blessing of the Hagee-Parsley wing of evangelical Christianity–those voters will stay home or vote third party.
But McCain also knows that Hagee’s anti-Catholicism and anti-Americanism or Parsley’s racism and poor sense of history will not be enough to lose him votes from Republicans in places like Wisconsin. You all are willing to forgive McCain for his associations because you like his politics and were gonna vote for him anyway.
May 7th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Roland thank you for you kind words.
John McCain is not my choice and if you look at the records you see this. John has worked with both sides of the aisle. Hilary hasn’t done much but has ran her campain by polls as did her husband, expect more of the same. Barack also hasn’t done much so you look at his associations. Also his plans. I will admit that his tax plans scare me because I just do not want to pay more taxes. I also do not trust the goverment to run much of anything because the bigger goverment gets the more inept it seems to be.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Obama in ’08!
Hello friends,
I have a thought. Listen to Wright’s 2001 god has damned America speech. I mean the whole thing. His criticisms of America’s past actions aren’t really off. Our country was founded on free speech in an effort to allow for criticism of the government and its actions to take place. This is not unpatriotic.
Did Wright go bonkers at recently at the NAACP convention. Hell, yes. But I don’t believe that the claim that he has been radical and crazy for 20 years sticks. He’s got the crazy speech in ’01, a couple examples of off-color comments from the pulpit in ’04, and absolute craziness now.
This falls in line with Obama’s actions. Pastor for a bunch of years, doesn’t agree with everything he’s said in ’04, denounces him in ’08 after the NAACP speech. Where is the problem people? I’ve seen the FOX news snippets and Youtube’d things. They all seem to line up with this outline.
Thoughts?
May 7th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Folkbum, you have to admit that Obama’s explanation is lame. If he didn’t attack others for wearing the pin, if he didn’t start talking about it being a symbol of phony patriotism, I don’t think it would be an issue. I guess you can chalk it up to Obama’s inexperience for mishandling the matter.
As far as McCain’s “pinlessness,” don’t blame “my side” for what the lib media ask or don’t ask McCain. Maybe McCain’s years in the Hanoi Hilton have something to do with his patriotism not being an issue. I don’t know. Complain to the lib media for letting you down.
I was waiting for someone on “your side” to bring up Parsley. Yes, Hagee and Parsley are supposed to be the magic bullets to erase the Wright problem, to level the bigoted pastor playing field. It’s not the same, as I explained above. (BTW, sorry about the previous misspellings. I know some people on “your side” like to say conservatives are poor spellers.)
To support McCain, there’s a lot that I have to forgive. The Hagee and Parsley endorsements aren’t a problem for me. I’m sure you can understand that. Wright isn’t a problem for you, right?
As in the case of the flag pin, I believe that Obama’s own statements and behavior have made Wright a significant issue. The same goes for Obama and the disgraceful Bill Ayers.
May 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Okay, just to set the record straight and not confuse me with the other Mary, I shall go by the name ‘Silvermare’ from now on…if I can remember that now. Anyway, Ayers is still a twit. Anybody who goes straight for shock value (like Ayers stepping on the American flag) in getting their point across deserves a healthy heaping dose of utter scorn. Just tell them: Dude, my cow just died so I don’t need your bull.
I may not agree with John McCain on many issues, but he’s better than either Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama.