Posted on Friday, 9th November 2007 by Patrick Dorwin
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November 9th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
How has the United States fallen so far that a candidate for Attorney General is willing to defend torture and the Senate is so spineless as to accept his nomination?
Didn’t we used to be the good guys?
November 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pm
So if you had a foreign terrorist that knew where a bomb was planted, you wouldn’t be willing to waterboard someone to get the information that could save thousands of lives?
You ask, “Didn’t we used to be the good guys?”
I ask, Didn’t we use to have the courage to do the right thing?
November 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Should the terrorists use waterboarding on our captured soldiers? Should they use it if they think it’ll save lives?
November 9th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
I am so sad that there are people who vote who can’t differentiate between civil offenses, War, and Terrorism. Different laws, statutes, and covenants cover the first two, but there are no rights for terrorists.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
John Foust, you’re a nut. Are you aware of any of our soldiers that have been captured by terrorists that weren’t tortured and murdered. They’re TERRORISTS John Foust. Think about that for a minute. Teachers teach, Football players play football, TERRORISTS TERRORIZE and MURDER. Yet you libs care about them.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
PCD, this is not a question of Constitutionality or of “right” this is a question of basic human decency.
Mickey, DO you REALIZE that WHEN we USE the TOOLS of TERROR then WE, too, ARE terrorists?
November 9th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
By all means then - give them their blankies and some milk and cookies. They’ll like us then and give us all the information they need.
What color is the sky in Idealistic Land anyway?
November 9th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Waterboarding isn’t the tools of terror. Beheading is.
Crying me a fukking river lib.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Yeah, talk about defining words down. American POWs in Vietnam and the Pacific theater in WWII were tortured; survivors had permanent injuries. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was temporarily annoyed and suffered no ill effects.
I suppose we could try to break terrorists with Celine Dion albums and Ben Affleck movies, but that seems unnecessarily cruel to the U.S. soldiers who have to work with them. *shudder*
November 9th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Heather-Radish, the logic employed by lefties is silly.
Do we want terrorists to water board our guys???? F’ing ridiculous, that assumes that from jump street we are not right and they are not wrong. That is absurd.
Maybe cops should consider whether they’d like to be handcuffed before they handcuff the criminal.
My six year old understands the issue better than libs do.
We cannot trust a lib to protect this country, because they won’t.
November 9th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
So let’s give them milk and cookies, but make it pig’s milk. Probably ought to issue them all nice new shoes too… leather of course…
November 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
How do you even argue with people so… I don’t even know the word to use… They don’t even realize that we are at war with people that have no morality… People that strap bombs onto their own children so they can blow up other children… People that decapitate their captives, but they think that making a murderous terrorist uncomfortable is torture… You people are dangerous! You really are, you should examine reality for once.
Scaring someone into thinking that they are drowning is not torture, sawing their heads off with a dull knife… now that is torture.
Remember that the only place that the U.S. Military was engaged on Sept. 11th was in Bosnia, where our troops were protecting a group of people from being ethnically cleansed. Those people that our troops were protecting… Were Muslims.
They hate us, even you Grumps, and John Foust? They would like nothing better than to cut off your children’s heads while you watched. They don’t see your stance on this issue as anything but weakness.
November 9th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Thank you Patrick.
My youngest brother whom I’ve talked about before, is 35. He is State Dept. Bureau of Diplomatic Security. He is assigned to Dr. Condoleeza Rice. (yes the media doesn’t call her Doctor). He joined the USAF, as a PRIVATE!!! He had a degree from North Texas University, but “privatized”,(I mean he entered the USAF as a private) because the ARMY, (who had scouted him) did not promise a fixed wing pilots job upon OTS (officer training school) graduation. At 16 or 17 my bro had a “commercial pilots” license. My bro joined the USAF as a buck private at 22, went through basic at Lackland, and entered SPEC OPS training at Pope in N.C. He jumped with the 82nd. and did the “elude and evade” training parachuting into the Mts. of Washington with 2 MRE’s and a LIVE RABBIT!!
In the “elude and evade” he DID SO. He lived in the wilderness for a week, eating the rabbit and possibly the MRE’s (laugh laugh). Upon OLLIE OLLIE OXSENFREE!, my bro was put into a “POW” situation. He was beaten up. His nose was broken. He was asked questions by OUR guys that included personal stuff, that OBVIOUSLY the USAF had “dossied” (sp). For example, upon his POW training, the interrogators asked him questions that required knowledge of his FAMILY, brothers, sisters and private knowledge. He didn’t break. As I think of his stories, (and he isn’t a braggart by any means), I swell with love and pride. I love him dearly. I love him more for his service to America. He doesn’t like the attention and does not like talking about it. He does it for HIS reasons.
He went on to OTS at Maxwell AFB and flew a “warbird” for nearly 10 years. He won several NATO and USAF medals of merit. He served nearly a year as a Capt. 4 years ago in ISLAMBAD, PAKISTAN as the USAF/MILITARY attache to the U.S. EMBASSY. There he met STATE DEPT/F.B.I and CIA operatives.
(there is no CIA in Pakistan, wink). Those contacts set his career course.
One Pakistani Military officer said to him. “Capt. not all of us hate you and want you dead.”
My brother responded. “ok how many of you want us dead?”
Pakistani…”only about 10 percent”
My brother.. “10 percent? What is the population of Pakistan?”
Pakistani Lt. “about 120 million”.
So only 12,000,000 of Pakistani’s want us dead.\
My brother was roughed up (broken nose) by OUR people.
And libs call waterboarding torture and inhumane.
O.k.
How many libs have sacrificed what my brother has?
And I could tell you more.
My brother spent 9 weeks in Iraq THIS YEAR.
Patrick, I’ve got pictures that might interest you. And pictures that would validate what I’m saying.
November 10th, 2007 at 3:55 am
Say John, maybe you don’t know, but Special Forces get weaterboarded in training.
Gee, at a recent pro-terrorist rally by the libs, they waterboard some protestor. Last time I heard, the guy lived.
Let’s see, would a catured soldier prefer waterboarding as compared to having his head chjopped. I’m pretty sure, he’ll accept waterboarding.
What’t troubling John is that you equate terrorists with our military. Terrorists are not bound by the Geneva Convention and they don’t abide by it. The have no problems killing innocents with car bombs, beheading civillians etc. When you equate our military and terrorists John, it’s sad and very pathetic.
November 10th, 2007 at 9:25 am
A little information for those of you that think every terrorist we catch is being waterboarded… ABC News reports that Only Three Have Been Waterboarded by CIA. And NONE have been waterboarded since 2003, when George Tenet was the Director of the CIA. Remember that George Tenet was originally appointed by Bill Clinton… who also believes that in extreme cases, waterboarding should be an option.
One of the three that have been waterboarded was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, who give up a lot of valuable information as well as confessing to plotting the 9/11 attacks and the beheading (real torture) of Danial Pearl (a civilian reporter). And once he broke through the use of waterboarding (after only 90 seconds), it never had to be used on him again, proving it’s effectiveness.
This all proves that this is a nothing but a deception from their real goal, the defeat of the United States by Islamofascism.
I say again, you people are dangerous.
November 10th, 2007 at 9:28 am
Oh, by the way, you wouldn’t want to hear about what I would be willing to do to these terrorists that have vital information. If you think waterboarding is torture…
November 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Mickey, I salute your “bro”. I’m humbled by his dedication.
I can’t even try to understand the reasoning behind the likes of grumps and foust. Actually I don’t think reasoning is involved. What do they say if a suspected terrorist with knowledge of an attack is not coerced into talking and as a result people are killed? “I feel good that we didn’t harm the suspect?” “At least we’re better than they are because we didn’t harm the suspect?” How arrogant! How idiotic! How clueless!
November 10th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Liberals are ok with murdering babies but not with roughing up terrorists. 6th grade football causes more pain than waterboarding. Maybe we could tackle information out of terrorists.
November 10th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
Mickey, Just read this comment at;
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2007/11/09/ \
weekend-captionfest#comments
There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it.”
Thank your brother for me…
November 10th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Mickey - Fetuses, not babies, or so they keep saying. I’m not entirely sure I’ve understood their explanations of the difference.
I’m not quite comnfortable with either position on abortion. The folks that have all the answers, picketing clinics, sometimes bombing them or shooting folks that work there - I just have a real problem telling much diiference between them and the “right to choice” militants, except for their positions. I’d be a lot more comfortable if I could be certain that life began at some clearly defined point, but I’m not, despite having listened to the arguments of both sides.
Likewise, I generally favor capital punishment in extreme cases, but I was a lot more comfortable before so many death row inmates were proven not guilty by DNA evidence long after trial. I realize these “innocent” folks are mostly not very nice (witness our own Mr Avery), but still…
Life was a lot easier when I was 18 and everything was black and white.
November 11th, 2007 at 11:07 am
B-h-b, can tell me the last time someone shot an abortionist,or the last time an Death Hut was bombed?
Can you name one Republican who supports such action.
I’m against killing babies. Killing those that disagree with me is not an option, I denounce it.
I’m not in favor of the death penatly per se, but death penalty inmates were given trials and convicted under the law. Babies weren’t.
November 11th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Big T, you are very kind. Thank you. My nephew is 24 and was wounded 12/04 in Irag. He’s going back at Christmas time. He’s on my hero list too.
USMC.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Mickey - To my knowledge, the last bombing was in 1997, the last shooting 1998, the last arson May 2007. I’m not suggesting that anybody either of us would consider rational endorses such an action.
BTW, the fetus/unborn child was also given a trial and found not to be human. You may know that decision as Roe v. Wade. It’s as subject to error as any other decision made by men, including capital offense trials.
November 12th, 2007 at 7:33 am
The Journal Sentinel’s Ode to the Chief Nan says a lot about JS’s view of Hegerty.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=684798
I see the flow of the article as telling — Hegerty is looked upon positively in Diedrich’s eyes because she is tough on cops. That is what Barrett claims as well.
Depends what cops JS is talking about.
Mary Hoerig dropped the ball during the early stages of the Judge investigation by not obtaining a search warrant. Hegerty backed-up Hoerig, saying there wasn’t probable cause to obtain a search warrant. Talk about being inept. Then Hergerty demoted the rookie sergeant, who was on the scene requesting resources. One of his resources was Hoerig. But in Nan’s little fiefdom, s__t runs down hill. Why hold a person at the top accountable when you can did a white male sergeant?
The JS kind of alleges that Hoerig was conveniently away during the federal Jude trial.
It’s all about who you know not what took place.
In Bill O’Reilly speak Hergery “bloviated” a lot. That’s what Hegerty’s legacy really is about. She talked about this, that, and the other thing but accomplishing very little if anything towards reducing crime.
November 12th, 2007 at 11:47 am
I loved the following part of the article: “Crime fell in the early part of her tenure, shot up in the middle and has been falling since. This summer’s drop was attributed by some to Hegerty’s plan to flood officers on overtime into troubled neighborhoods. Officials already are talking about doing it again next summer.”
“…has been falling since”? Laughable!
One of the other bloggers has used the name “al Milwaukee Journal Sentinel” when referring to the Journal. I’d say this article (specifically the above reference) is a pretty good example of what he’s implying.
November 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
More problems @ Milw. PD. I learned last nite that 8-10 police personnel at the City Jail have been stricken with an ‘airborne staph infection’ and one copper is/was hospitalized. It appears there’s a serious health concern in the Police Administration Building. Nothing in the media about this though.
November 12th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
[...] For the past two weeks or so, we have been hearing rumbles of a staph infection in the Milwaukee City Jail inside of the Police Administration Building. The latest word on this comes from out own milwhowie. [...]
November 14th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
John Foust said: “Should the terrorists use waterboarding on our captured soldiers?”
Roland replies: “I wish they would. It’s preferable to beheading.”
November 15th, 2007 at 12:03 am
Roland, at some point you have to realize that the John Foust’s and Mike Plaisted’s of the world aren’t sane.
I said: “”John Foust, you’re a nut. Are you aware of any of our soldiers that have been captured by terrorists that weren’t tortured and murdered. They’re TERRORISTS John Foust. Think about that for a minute. Teachers teach, Football players play football, TERRORISTS TERRORIZE and MURDER. Yet you libs care about them”"
The Fousts’ of our world will only change their tune when THEY lose something. They aren’t Patriots, they dont’ love America. They live on Fantasy Island, and they never sacrifice anything, unless they become Vegans.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:30 am
B-h-b you told me that……
“BTW, the fetus/unborn child was also given a trial and found not to be human”
Habeus corpus baby!!
How can a NON-HUMAN be given a trial? How can a non-human have it’s right to “LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF NOT BEING ABORTED” taken away prior to it being granted?
If abortion can be granted as a RIGHT, when the MOTHER’s health and well being is at risk, doesn’t the term MOTHER have inference?? There is no MOTHER without CHILD.
There is no MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. without MARTIN LUTHER KING SENIOR!!!
Words have meaning and we get a glimpse inside the CONVENIENT EUPHEMISM OF BABY KILLING by virtue of THE MOTHER having rights granted to her..
At the DEATH HUT, a.k.a Planned Parenthood, the Abortionist may care about the MOTHERS’ well being. Who is the MOTHER, MOTHER too?? If it’s Planned Parenthood, WHO is the PARENT, a PARENT too???
Didn’t our Supreme Court rule that BLACKS were 3/5 of a person once upon a crime?
As babies die for the convenience of their “mothers”, “we” become more callous and de-sensitized to Mommy’s child being sacrificed and discarded. It’s been rationalized and babies have become Orwellian “NON-BABIES” who have a MOMMY whose health concerns dictated MOMMY’S non-baby being NON-KILLED.
November 15th, 2007 at 7:02 am
Mickey Didn’t our Supreme Court rule that BLACKS were 3/5 of a person once upon a crime? No. I think that occurred in Congress. I don’t believe SCOTUS ever heard a case on that, though I could be mistaken on that score. That was a compromise between the southern states who wanted to count slaves as people for determining representation and northern states who insisted slaves were merely livestock. I think that allowed them to agree on admitting Missouri as a state. Someone else can look it up.
And I said Roe v. Wade happened. I never said it was right or wrong. I can’t imagine any ruling on that subject with which I would be entirely comfortable.
November 15th, 2007 at 8:37 am
Bubba, do a little research on that 3/5th rule. That was part of the negotiations for the Constitution itself because the non-slave states didn’t want the Southern slave states to have an advantage by their importation of slaves.
November 15th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Yeah, the Constitutional Convention almost broke up when they couldn’t agree on how slaves should be counted toward Congressional representation.
There’s going to be some good fights coming up shortly on how to count illegal aliens toward representation in the 2010 Census-as it stands, high-enforcement states stand to lose Congressional seats to sanctuary states. At least, I hope there’s a fight…depending on the outcome of the 2008 elections, illegal aliens might have full amnesty and voting rights by the time of the Census. *sigh*